Monday, October 20, 2008

No on Proposition 8 in CA for procedural, not substantive reasons

I was not in favor of the California Supreme Court's decision that recognized a constitutional right for homosexuals to be "married" under government auspices. See here for my cautious legal/judicial analysis. Simply put, I do not believe the arguments in favor of civil rights for those with darker skin apply with completely equal force in matters of sexual orientation. I also believe the populace should be allowed to draw a cultural line in saying "civil union or domestic partnership, yes--Same sex marriage, no."

I also stated and now state more directly, that we should, as a society, disentangle the primarily religious word "marriage" from government licensing and define marriage as a ceremony performed in a church or temple. Those of us consenting adults who wish to commit to someone to secure government benefits should simply get a license that is for a "civil union" or "domestic partnership." In the case of a dissolution of a civil union, or even a religiously sanctioned ceremony (marriage), the State would retain a compelling interest in the health, safety and interest of children as it relates to visitation and custodian rights.

The goal here is to stop this largely silly argument over the word "marriage" and keep us from wasting our society's time worrying about homosexuals who want to receive a formal government approval for a life commitment to each other.

So, where do I stand on Proposition 8, which would restate the legal proposition that "marriage" is only between a man and a woman?

I am voting NO on Proposition 8.

I hope Proposition 8 fails to pass because, if Prop 8 fails, the next step for ritualistic religious people who have been most motivated about this issue would be to end the State's issuing of "marriage" license, just like the clerk in Kern County, California who stopped performing civil marriage ceremonies around the time of the California Supreme Court's decision supporting same sex marriage (Thanks to a commenter for clarifying the action of the Kern County employee). Such ritualistic religious folks will immediately grasp the persuasiveness of the idea of separating "marriage" from "civil unions" so that homosexuals are not given state "marriage" approval. The idea should appeal as well to those who believe in a separation of church matters from state matters--and those of us, including me, who generally support equal rights for homosexuals. However, we won't get to that reform I am proposing if religiously ritualistic people prevail and Proposition 8 passes. The reform I have set forth, i.e. separating marriage from civil unions for State issued licensing, will not prevail until after Prop 8 fails.

My opposition to Proposition 8, therefore, is procedurally based more than substantively based.

There is also something ugly about the motivations of certain Christians and other ritualistic religious people who are supporting Proposition 8. Their motivations are based mostly on fear, not love. In opposing same sex marriage, they end up quoting Leviticus, which is the Old Testament, and leave out the fact that Leviticus wanted to stone people for missing Shabbat services and adultery, too (See this link from ReligiousTolerance.org that has an interesting interpretation of both the New and Old Testaments that lend support to a civil recognition of same sex marriage). Jesus said nothing directly on the subject of same sex marriage or homosexuality. Also, Jesus' essential sensibility, particularly in response to the attempted stoning of a woman who was an adulterer ("He who is without sin may cast the first stone"), tells me Jesus would not be on street corners holding signs supporting Proposition 8.

In the past few days, I have been shouting (not screaming) from my car across the busy and noisy streets near our home where YES on Proposition 8 supporters are standing on street corners with their yellow signs: "Way to show your Christian love, folks!" or "Jesus would oppose Proposition 8 because those without sin are the only ones who may cast the first stone." This morning, a woman with her yellow sign shouted back, "We love you. Bless you." I responded, "No, you don't love me. And you don't love homosexuals, either. Not very Christian of you!"

I've also put up a NO on Proposition 8 sign on our front lawn to counter the YES on Proposition 8 signs that have sprung up on our neighbors' lawns in our neighborhood (and which appear to have come from local area churches).

Final comments:

1. Prposition 8 supporters present a parade of horribles that will occur if Proposition 8 fails to pass. My wife said this morning, "Aren't these arguments by Prop 8 supporters ridiculous?" I shocked her when I responded that I am saddened to say they may not be as ridiculous as opponents of Prop 8 are saying, even if the Prop 8 supporters' parade of horribles remains unlikely. I say this because of my concern that the California Supreme Court decision supporting a State Constitutional right to same sex marriage undermined piecemeal reformist measures and stopgaps. The decision allowed logic to trump experience in the cultural realm*, such that who knows if the State legislature or State Superintendent of Schools may be able to legally prohibit teachers from reading stories to grade schoolers where a prince marries a prince? Again, however, if we take marriage out of the government's hands and promote only civil unions, our society can legally take a more cautious approach in how it supports, if at all, marriage among homosexuals.

2. I think the YES on Proposition 8 forces will prevail in this election, but it will be a phyrric victory for those who oppose same-sex civil unions or marriage. The younger generation, who have lived in a world of open gays and lesbians, are going to support the legal approval of same sex marriage sooner than later. Sadly, a victory for Proposition 8 will only lead to more arguments and will continue to crowd out important fiscal and financial issues. For example, instead of voting for a politician on the basis of his or her views regarding reforming our state's budgetary process, we'll more often be deciding who to vote for based upon that politician's position on gay marriage. That is a shame for a State like California, upon which much of our nation's economic engine depends.

I therefore urge my fellow Californians to vote NO on Proposition 8. Let's finish this argument over "gay marriage" in a way that promotes fairness and dignity for all Californians, and finish this policy argument over sexual orientation in the realm of our culture, and within the walls of our churches and temples, not our State government county clerk offices.

* As Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said, "The life of the law has not been logic; it has been experience."

9 Comments:

At 4:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very interesting thoughts here, Mr. Freedman. Just a small note for accuracy's sake. Kern County Auditor/Controller Ann Barnett's office does offer marriage licenses to both straight and same-sex couples under the California Supreme Court ruling. Her action was to end a practice of the Kern County Clerk's office (a division of hers) performing civil marriage ceremonies for straight couples just days before same-sex marriage became legal.

James Burger
county government reporter
The Bakersfield Californian

 
At 6:28 AM, Blogger Mitchell J. Freedman said...

Thank you, Mr. Burger. I have changed the post to reflect that distinction.

 
At 9:20 AM, Blogger Reuven said...

Some Evangelicals are starting to realize they’ve been duped and are recommending a no vote on Prop 8

 
At 7:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was very confused growing up in Ohio. I knew I was attracted to men the moment I hit puberty. I saw Mom and Dad, uncle Ken and aunt Betty. My sister and her boyfriend. I never knew how I could fit in to that reality given my secret desires.

If Gay Marriage had been an option or at least thought about back then, I might not have thought I was so strange and different.

It really boils down to this. I am the same under the law as my strait brother or sister. I could even find a church or two that would condone my love for my partner. Why do I have to beg the majority to see how basic these rights are?

I married my life partner last month. I must say I feel great and blessed and totally happy. Why take that away from me?

 
At 8:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for your thoughts, Mr. Freedman. I also think that some Yes voters may find that their Yes vote brings unexpected consequences. I, too, believe that it would be best if all state-recognized unions became civil unions, and marriage was only a term for a sacrament performed by a church according to the church's own internal rules and rubric.

However, many of the religious zealots who oppose gay marriage would be horrified to have their own CIVIL marriage turned into a civil union, even if they could still receive the church blessing called "marriage," in addition to that civil union. And yet, I believe that if Prop 8 passes, that may be exactly the path taken by the courts.

Passing Prop 8 to amend the state constitution to declare "marriage" as "solely between a man and a woman" does nothing to change the Equal Protections clause upon which the CASC based its decision. That being the case, if gay couples can no longer be admitted to the state of "marriage," then the courts will really only have the option of compelling everyone, gay or straight, to engage in a "civil union" or "domestic partnership," as far as the state is concerned.

If religious zealots want to "preserve marriage," (as a state-sanctioned institution, anyway) then they should be voting NO on 8 and encouraging all of their friends to do so, as well.

 
At 4:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is another issue. The courts are taking upon themselves a legislative function. Except there is no review. A half dozen folks in a single segment of society should tread softly when they are negating the popular vote in a major issue. Tomorrow they may decide to pass a law that most detest. This is a dangerous road.

 
At 8:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It saddens me to be so excited about an election that seemed to be moving "US" forward in civil and cultural ways, to then have it take us back as far as we have moved forward. TO my kids, and my partner, this divide is not ours!! We shall keep moving forward...to quote, "so that one day we will all be treated as equal."

 
At 11:18 PM, Anonymous alex said...

Religious people would consider me an atheist, although I strongly support the positive works of religious bodies; I just don't have faith in their theologies, being of a more skeptical mind.

However, I did support proposition 8, not on religious, but on cultural grounds. Marriage is an old tradition, practised in almost all cultures , particularly in Western (i.e. European-derived) cultures in pretty much the same way. It not only has elements of mutual commitment, legal and financial ramifications, etc., but has traditionally included another essential element: biological union, that a homosexual couple cannot duplicate. The union of sperm and egg from the couple often results in a new human being having a mixture of genes with characteristics differnt from either of the partners. That, if you believe the biologists, is nature's purpose for hetrosexuality, and is the process necessary for evolution and survival of the species.

In most cultures the marrriage ceremony also involves an important social institution: the union of two families who wish to pass on their genetic characteristics to future generations. Thus from the viewpoint of cultural tradition, a same-sex marriage is only a "pretend" marriage because it cannot fulfill what is arguably its single most important element, biological union. (Artificial insemination and adoption don't count because the children are not biological offspring of the "married" partners).

I believe that the most important factor which motivates the heterosexual majority to repeatedly deny legalizing same-sex marriage is the fear that this vital and emotion-laden ceremony, which in modern times has already been horribly abused for unrelated purposes, will finally be completely destroyed.

Most people will willingly grant homosexuals any legal rights they want (and deserve, being equally human), and these rights and privileges, as well as vows of life-long commitment, can all be granted, as you suggest, through civil union. But why should a minority group be allowed to violate an ancient tradition by imitating it's rituals when it can only partially fulfill its requirements?

Let the gay community invent its own ceremony with its own costumes, rituals, music, and feasting, give the ceremony a unique new name other than "marriage", and stop trying to prove that gay people are just exactly the same as heterosexuals, which of course, by their own definition and biological needs they are not.

 
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